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Oddball trackday car

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Postby Steve33 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:27 pm

Been thinking of the oddest trackday car ,I saw a bond bug with a hyabusa in it on pistonheads. got me thinking of something simular with 4 wheels mini type affair. then I thought micra the square type with a rear drive conversion and 200sx or s2000 powered or even a v8 transaxle type affair like a gt40 . . . .
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Postby Renrut » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:18 pm

Shouldn't this be in the Bath?

Assuming the Mobs will move it, there are plenty of weird things using the 200sx drivetrain and even floorpan knocking around, a quick youtube/google will show them up.

Probably needs a bit more formed thought though, spend a bit longer in the bath and have a good 'ol soak.
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Postby Steve33 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:12 pm

Yeah bunged in the tech by mistake think I will stick to an mx5 as the hardwork is already done .
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Postby Renrut » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:54 pm

Nah TVR Griffith - Even the V8 is already there :lol:
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Postby OilyFingers » Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:59 pm

Moved to the bath. Unfortunately Jaffa has drank all the Matey Bubbles so you'll have to make do with Swarfega with a bit of fairy mixed in.

What about taking the headstock off a bike and mounting the remainder to the front of a car so the third pin is at the back not the front and you don't have to faff about with reverse gears or mounting drive converters etc because its a trike not a car.

Its not an original idea but has to be simple enough.
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Postby Relentless Rob » Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:29 pm

OilyFingers wrote:What about taking the headstock off a bike and mounting the remainder to the front of a car so the third pin is at the back not the front and you don't have to faff about with reverse gears or mounting drive converters etc because its a trike not a car.

Its not an original idea but has to be simple enough.


A single seater with the driver sat knee level with the front wheels perhaps?

Or how about a Locost front with the back of a bike (or two)?

Whatever you do a lot of bike powered kit car boys forget to take the extra weight into account. In some cases it's a simple extra couple of friction plates to make the clutch man enough for the task but it can be a total rebuild of the bottom half of the engine if you get your sums wrong. A replacement engine will repeat the same self destruction because you're only dealing with the effects rather than the cause. Also the DVLA take a dim view of these (not that a track day car needs to be on the road) two wheels at the front being powered by one rear for some reason does not qualify as a bike derived trike because it has more characteristic of a car. :wtf: With that in mind you can also bypass the new-build trike rules (needing to be more than 900cc if you are going to carry a passenger for example) if you class the vehicle as a three wheeled quad.

Steves idea of using a transaxle gear box with some J-power? I'd start with an old race car chassis and find a turbo or N/A four pot already on a transaxle. SAAB/VAG turbo or N/A maybe? Then it's fairly straight forward gearbox, engine mounts, carriers and gear linkage fabrication. You can modify the original hubs and driveshafts to suit.

Something like this could work...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mondiale-M84- ... 41612c2d85

...gratuitous eBay link. ;)
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Postby Renrut » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:54 am

But if you look into the rules quadricycles have to have a comically small engine (<125cc iirc) to qualify otherwise they're a car (hence no official need for a helmet on them).

Much better solution would be to graft the back of a bike onto a shortened haynes roadster front end. Don't bother with a diff at the back just have a solid shaft and a single brake on the rear all hanging off the bikes original swing arm. Might need a beefier rear spring and shock, and perhaps to pick an older bike with a steel frame thats easier to weld to than the fancy fabricated ally things you see now.
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Postby Steve33 » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:16 pm

Got it an ac invacar converted to 4 wheels with a mid mounted fireblade engine I reckon you could use a mini subframe up front to make it a 4 wheeler and use the mini steering to replace the handlebars.
Mind you they were outlawed for being dangerous so now it would be worse.
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Postby mitsuru » Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:50 pm

Oddball track car suggestion, think smaller than a bond bug!

How about a Peel P50 modified, it has 2 front wheels and a single
rear wheel. Or a Bubble car as they have 2 front wheels and a rear
wheel. Both these cars are more stable than the bond bug 3 wheeler.

So instead of going large, how small can you go?
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Postby OilyFingers » Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:16 pm

Fireblade powered Kart? :D

Not sure the stewards would like it though.
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Postby Steve33 » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:00 pm

Would handle like a go kart literally
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Postby mitsuru » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:33 pm

Would be fun on the road too!
Everybody has seen Clarkson in one and think the max speed is 30mph.
Imagine the look on peoples faces when it passes them on the motorway.
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Postby Steve33 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:58 pm

Anyone seen a nova vw based kit car ?
I iad an idea for an impreza powered example but the entire running gear transplanted so it handles and stops as well.
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Postby MFrV1 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:26 am

Steve33 wrote:Anyone seen a nova vw based kit car ?
I iad an idea for an impreza powered example but the entire running gear transplanted so it handles and stops as well.


I've seen one with an Alfa flat 4... Subaru turbo sounds better.
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Postby Relentless Rob » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:04 pm

Here's a Ford based front cross member...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Race-car-hill ... 27c2a8ed6a

...all you need now is some duct-tape a bike and a seat. ;)

The Nova car always reminded me of the Pink Panther mobile from the start of the cartoons. I wouldn't write off the VW engine either. I remember a Nova in the Outlaw Warrior Four steries with a bonkers aircooled lump powering it. On a more realistic budget and if there's one thing the anti-dub scene has shown us; it's the number of potential donors for Beetle platform is vast. With Beetle parts becoming more and more (ridiculously) expensive kit car builders like Covin are turning to other mid/rear engined cars for their porsche 911 replicas. MGF', MR2's and so on. You could always take a grinder to the Nova and fit MR2 Turbo running gear in there. ;)
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