Fizzy Petrol

[Relentless Rob]

No I haven't been drinking.

I used to put all sorts of stuff in my sodastream when I was younger. Bells Whisky was good. On my cycle ride home from work I was thinking of a PPC use for the technology. Gasses suspended in liquids until the dynamic of the liquid is altered (yes it's a long ride home).

What use would Carbondioxide in Petrol be?

It would be next to useless but what a different gas that's widely available to make squirty cream?

Nitrousoxide could be very useful if suspended in a flamable liquid.

I'll have to dig out my Sodastream and try it outside in case it explodes a bit; but i think I'm on to something here.

[XKRacer]

Hold on a sec, let me get this right....... You want to connect your sodastream up to a NOS bottle then put a bit of fizz in your petrol


I have no idea if that would work but I would love to watch

[Relentless Rob]

Something like this I recon...



It's one of those idea that could easilly work or just as easilly kill everyone within a two mile radius. That would be up to four people in my village. The biggest problem would be making sure the Petrol doesn't lose its fizz in the fuel lines and when filling the tank.

It's one of these ideas isn't it?



At least it has answered one of lifes mysteries. Why do people who squirt cream into their mouths rave about it? They're slightly high from the Nitrousoxide suspended in the cream.

[XKRacer]

I only said to " Blow The Bloody Doors Off"..... Sorry had to be done, but that looks so cool..... I want to do it and I know of a few likely candidates

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[OilyFingers]

CO2 would put the fire out, wouldn't it?

[Relentless Rob]

CO2 would put the fire out, wouldn't it?

Yes that's why I suggested Nitrous Oxide.

Nitrous Oxide is a lighter gas than Carbon Dioxide, this is why it's used in squirty cream. If the gas can be suspended in a fuel it could be potentially awesome. When the Nitrous Oxide enfused Petrol is injected into the engine the gas and fluid would separate as the fluid becomes vapour. At the point of ignition there would be Nitrous Oxide and Petrol in the combustion chamber.

At least that's the theory. I think the fluid resistance of Petrol would not be enough to suspend the lighter gas. Compared to Petrol water and syrup are quite thick. To make the particle density of the petrol enough to sustain the suspended gas it would need to be chilled to a point a close to freezing point (why cold drinks doesn't go flat as quickly as warm ones). -40 to -50 degrees Celsius would do it. This means that as soon as the fuel/gas mix is placed in a warm environment (like an engine) it would expand rapidly and possibly pre-detonate.

Sorry to say this but Diesel could be better suited.
It already has a higher particle density and the fluid dynamic is better suited to the suspension of gasses.

It freezes at about -40 and has similar characteristics to fluids more commonly used in Sodastreams between 0 and -10 and realistically speaking it this would be easier to achieve than the -40 to -50 required to suspend Nitrous Oxide in Petrol and because the differences in environmental temprature and flash points of of the fuels it wouldn't be as unstable.

Now for the big but;

The reason Carbon Dioxide is suspended in soft drinks isn't to make them fizzy. That's a happy little biproduct. Carbon Dioxide is inert and helps to preserve the ingredients of the drink itself. This is why flat drinks taste different to fizzy ones as the ingredients start to decompose and ferment as soon as the preservitive Carbon Dioxide is taken away. Nitrous Oxide is very reactive. Suspending Nitrous Oxide in long chain Carbon molecule like (I'm using) Octane (as an example because it's easier to work out) would result in a reaction immediately.



C8H10 with NO2 = HNO3 + CO2 + H2O

Great diluted (H2O) Nitric Acid and Carbon Dioxide. Not a lot of good for the engine eh?

Also it would be an exothemic reaction so we're back to this...




Glad I thought it through before having a go though.

[OilyFingers]

One thing in your favour is that Nitric acid is the main constituent to Nitromethane. Nitric Acid is 'washed' with propane 3 seconds before your neighbour gets a detached bungalow.

Contrary to certain films you can't run it in a Ford Gran Torino.

[Relentless Rob]

Interesting side effect there. Nitro Methane burns so hot it would separate the Hydrogen from the Oxygen adding more fuel to the reaction.

That Gran Tourino had Diamond topped pistons and valves to survive it.

[Renrut]

A very interesting concept - if you could get it to work you could store it in small compressed containers with the correct petrol/NO2 mix.

Then you could have them as like a pac-man style power pill for your car to give it Knight Rider-esq super pursuit mode

PS I know nothing of chemistry

[Robmarriott]

VP Q16 is oxygenated, not fizzy but has oxygen suspended in the fuel. You need to increase the fuel flow by a little bit but the gains can be substantial.

Obviously in a road car, it's not going to be dramatic.