Sublime Panda-monium II

[Relentless Rob]

So today I've been working the angles for the roll cage.

Started out by tying some ribbon (couldn't find any string) around the upright where I want the weld the diagonal bar to later...

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...sticking the other end in place with tape.

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Then used the ribbon as a guide to draw a stencil.

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Popped over to my local forge the get the pipes cut and the correct angles.

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Used the off cut as a guide for to draw and grind out a flange...

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...ready to weld and paint.

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I'll finish the dirty welding inside first though.

Got outbid on the SAAB thankfully.

[owelly]

Pah! tubemiter.exe and a 1mm cutting disc. Thats what you want.

[Relentless Rob]

Okay so I did the clean welding today. For two reasons, 1/ I'm doing the school run in a bit and didn't want to lose track of time under the car and 2/ The lengths of bar would probably have been nicked if I left them anywhere. Metal theft is at an all time high in this part of rural Norfolkistan.

So I tacked the diagonals to the uprights only to discover I couldn't get the bloody cage back out of the car to finish it and re-install after some tidy bench welds. So the windows had to come out...

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...and it got done. Considering the lack of space and rain showers pretty well.

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I need to find out how strong the seat bars are so I can use one as a cross bar to mount the shoulder straps from my harness to.

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I will get back to the dirty welding soon enough. My eBay free listing firesale has reaped in enough for a pair of 40's better suited to a draw through conversion just as an interesting alternative (and at the moment top secret) item gets listed as well.

[Relentless Rob]

Not much in the way of progress to report today. I've taken the seat out of Guff I and placed it in Guff II to see how it looks...

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...I was actually thinking of getting a different seat but it looks so right in there it has to stay.

On the Fiat forum it has been suggested that the crank to cam' ratio may be different on the 1368 block. Basically because the 1368 block is a bored and stroked version of the FIRE engine the crank may turn at a slower rate and fitting the eight valve head wouldn't work. I was fairly sure this wasn't the case but checked to save a headache later.

1108cc block...

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...A481 wheel approximately 55mm across.

1368cc block...

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...the same A481 wheel 55mm in diameter. Phew.

I've been getting too horny with the Fantasia as I have found the second of the Fiat Coupe horns...

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...I tried wiring them in parallel first and either horn would work but when both were wired neither would. The same thing in series. There aren't enough amps for the dual horns to work.

I fitted the lower tone of the two so it's more of a get out of the way "Honk!" the an excuse me "Meeep!".

[tooSavvy]

....excellent logic, mon ami!

A 4stroke engine needs 1/2 ratio of 'Valve Action'...ergo 2:1 crank/cam speed.

...from the table top plastic 'how things work' Haynes kit... to, ermm, a radial WWII B17 engine... SAME

Discuss.......

tooSavvy

[owelly]

Why would you want to wire the hooters in series? Are they 6volt?

[Renrut]

Why would you want to wire the hooters in series? Are they 6volt?

Shhh. I want to see what he does next...

[Relentless Rob]

Why would you want to wire the hooters in series? Are they 6volt?

Shhh. I want to see what he does next...

I knew it wouldn't work but tried anyway.

I like the lower single tone and have the proper air horns in case invisible car syndrome becomes an issue again.

[Treefinder]

I swear those fire engines are over engineered .
Would a turbo go on that engine with a decomp plate to keep costs down.

I second that one!! did it a few years ago with an old vauxhall lump

[Relentless Rob]

I picked up a bit of Stainless Steel made into a pipe to use as a swirl pot or some other use and thought...

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..."like J-Tuner innit bruv".

[Renrut]

I swear those fire engines are over engineered .
Would a turbo go on that engine with a decomp plate to keep costs down.

I second that one!! did it a few years ago with an old vauxhall lump

+1

[Relentless Rob]

I have a weekend off. As well as the usual Uncle, brother, son and boyfriend duties I have to...

1/ Strip Guff I to make space for...
2/ Project Repo' I'm having to repossess the Seicento because the guy's decided to move house.
3/ More welding.
4/ Fit the Punto GT Cinquecento Sporting hybrid brakes to Guff II.
5/ More welding.
6/ Fit the seat properly-ish.
7/ Harnesses.
8/ Find space for all the stuff I'm storing in Guff I and parts I've removed.
9/ Get some money for the shell (£60 a Ton round here).
10/ Fix dads Corsa exhaust and replace the manifold gasket on my sister Daewoo Matiz.

[Relentless Rob]

http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/uk/peterborough

Rain forecast so that means no welding or crawling about under other people's cars.


So...

1/ Strip Guff I to make space for...
2/ Project Repo' I'm having to repossess the Seicento because the guy's decided to move house.
3/ Fit the Punto GT Cinquecento Sporting hybrid brakes to Guff II.
4/ Fit the seat properly-ish.
5/ Harnesses.
6/ Find space for all the stuff I'm storing in Guff I and parts I've removed.
7/ Get some money for the shell (£60 a Ton round here).
8/ Free listing weekend so re-list everything that didn't sell and add the bits from Guff I.

[Relentless Rob]

There were a few things I wanted to harvest from Guff I before the what's left is collected for scrap.

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I cut the plate out of the Cinquecento floor so I can weld it into the Panda and use the cable gear linkages so I can have the newer five speed box. While the four speed has nice close ratios ideal for the quarter mile it is in effect a three speed gearbox as you don't need first once the engine has warmed up. My Fantasia four speed maxes out at about 85mph so I'd like to make Guff II capable of over 100mph in so track days are more entertaining.

The Pollycarbonate Cinquecento windows will also fit the Panda after a bit of trimming down...

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...and is it just me or does this not look too bad?

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It doesn't look that hard to fit either. Shame the back bumper's nowhere near.

The Fantasia got a new steering wheel...

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...and locking fuel cap...

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...thanks to Guff. Although I'm still pretty miffed about it the concept at least will live on.

[MFrV1]

Liking Guff's contribution to Panda-monium.

The bumper HAS to go on.